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When you have a decision to make, what do you typically do?
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Well, you generally get all the information that you can about whatever the choice is the situation.
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I make a list.
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That's what I do.
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Well, you can make a list that would be one way to do it Write it all down so you can visually see it.
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But you get the information available and then you try to make the best educated decision that you can.
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Make sense.
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Well, in the medical world, medical decision making is really no different.
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But what do we do?
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We get vital signs.
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We look at your temperature, we look at your blood pressure, we'll get lab work, see what the numbers show.
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But is this really all that there is to it?
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Is it the entire picture?
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Is it the entire picture?
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Well, in today's episode, that's what we're going to talk about, so let's hop to it.
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Hey sister, welcome to the Power On Plants podcast.
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Are you tired of staring into the fridge wondering what to eat so you can just feel better?
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Do you want to avoid spending hours in the kitchen making complicated meals in the name of health?
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Would you love to leave fatigue behind and finally have the energy to do all the things you want to do?
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Hi, we're Jared and Anita Riesel, christ followers, healthcare professionals, parents of four and big fans of great tasting food.
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We, too, tried exercising more, eating natural and clean foods, but we still found ourselves struggling with what we thought were changes that come with age or bad genes, and we weren't finding answers to traditional routes.
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So we dug into the research and created our secret nutritional weapon sustainable plant based living.
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The truth is, you can eat more whole plant foods and it's not hard.
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You just need the way that's realistic and delicious so you never feel deprived.
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If you're ready to enjoy your meals, no longer be held back by your health struggles and actively live your life, then you're in the right place.
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So grab your favorite plant based cup of happy pop in those earbuds and let's get started.
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Hey there, sunshine, how are you doing today?
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We want to hear you answer back, I feel great.
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That is why we show up week after week, and if you're not there yet, do not worry, you are going to get there.
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This can be done.
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The 15 most common diseases and I would say probably more than that of our lifetime that are, quote, chronic.
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They're lifestyle related, okay, and a huge majority of that goes back to the food that goes into your mouth.
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And today we're talking about why that matters, why it's important and why sometimes you hear the wrong thing is the right thing and you get overwhelmed.
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Well, you're not going to leave this episode overwhelmed.
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You're going to understand why the numbers don't tell the whole story.
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So the other day I was on YouTube watching Problem number one.
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No, no, no, no, no, no being reliable resources of information, but I was on there listening to some of my favorite doctors because we're always learning, at least for me.
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I'm fascinated by the information and the why these different things work and different components that are found within food that help promote our health.
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But, I also sometimes do run across videos that the opposing side quote unquote, if you will presents like.
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I saw this guy.
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He's a doctor, not going to mention his name, but he is a doctor and he's full blown carnivore.
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So I wanted to just kind of watch and see what his explanation was.
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Just see the rationale.
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Where is he coming from?
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Where is he coming from?
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How in the world, with what we?
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know how is he rationalizing this so?
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as he was talking he mentioned how his diet and he recommends this to his patients and he sees that numbers are improving.
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Like, hemoglobin A1C is a specific test that looks at what an average blood sugar level looks like over the course of a couple of months.
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So you use that for diabetes screening, but also use it for diabetes management, because if you look at just blood sugar, that can change throughout the day.
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So all you're doing is getting a snapshot of what the blood sugar looks like at that very moment.
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An hour later maybe up, maybe down, don't really know and you have to get multiple measurements, whereas hemoglobin A1C it's typically done with the blood draw.
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It just gives you that average.
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So it's a great number.
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But in this particular video he was saying that he sees the hemoglobin A1C come down.
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Now you may look at that and think, oh well, that's great, my diabetes is gone.
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So he's saying when his patients eat the carnivore diet, he's seeing the A1C come down, he sees A1C come down, yes.
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So you look at that number and you think oh well, my diabetes is gone or controlled or is even going away, that you're in the process of things improving and going away.
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But is that really true?
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He's looking at it as a clinician.
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In that situation, I'm treating for the number.
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I'm looking at the number and I can understand the tendency to want to do that, because that's the data that you have.
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You're making decisions based on the data, but getting certified in lifestyle medicine now practicing that I understand that there's something deeper beyond the numbers.
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Yeah, don't you feel like numbers are just a part of the puzzle, like it's just a part of what's going on?
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It's a little bit of a sign of what's going on underneath, but it doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.
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It doesn't.
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And, as we even know, in weight, dealing with weight loss issues, things like that numbers can mess you up, like if you're not looking at them from a right perspective.
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It can mess you up, and it's the same case here.
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I think that's what you're gonna tell us that you found.
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Numbers can mess you up, like if you're looking at just the numbers and you're not looking at what's really going on.
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Well, I wasn't necessarily thinking in those terms, but yes, because and I just had a car analogy come to me- Let me car analogy.
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Let's say we've got an indicator light on our dashboard.
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Something's going on with the engine indicator light.
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Comes on.
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I can go and disconnect the wire from that sensor.
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Indicator light goes away.
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I've treated the indicator light.
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It's gone.
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I'm excited my indicator light's not coming on.
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Oh, my goodness Keep on driving, but it never really addresses the root cause.
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That okay, I have to say that might be your best car analogy yet I might have to write that one down.
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That's really good Because it's like the number.
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It's like you're looking at that number.
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I'm treating the number, not the cause, not the underlying issue.
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So what we know is that you can control the sugar level, but have you really control what's really going on?
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You haven't, because it's the saturated fats from the animal products the dairy, the eggs, the meat that gets into the muscle cells.
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It gets on the surface of the muscle cells in just below, and so when insulin hits the insulin receptors, there's a chain reaction that happens.
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That then opens up the little channels for the glucose, the sugar, to get into the muscle cells, for your muscles to use it.
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Well, that process doesn't happen.
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It gets gummed up.
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It gets gummed up.
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You then become insulin resistant.
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What is it that's gumming it up?
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It's the saturated fats.
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Right the saturated fats.
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So that gets in there.
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So now the muscle cell, the locking key mechanism that opens up to let the insulin work to bring the sugar into your muscle cell.
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It's not working.
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So then, where does the sugar stay in your blood?
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Now the interesting part about it is those.
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You can get the key in the lock, you can turn it, but the bolt doesn't move.
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That's what's happening with this process.
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The insulin hits the receptor and it activates that part, but then the process underneath doesn't happen.
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It'd be kind of like the game of mousetrap.
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Let's say you didn't set it up correctly, mousetrap, and so you trigger it, but something's out of alignment and then the little cage doesn't fall.
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Well, that's what's happening.
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It's not opening up the little channels by which the sugar can come into the cell, so they're quote, unquote insulin resistant.
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So what's the tendency?
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Give more insulin or give medications that make your body stimulate more insulin released in the pancreas, and it kind of works in the beginning but, as the process gets worse or the condition gets worse, it's less effective.
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Now, what was the cause?
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Saturated fats from the animal products.
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What does the carnivore diet do?
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It gives you even more fats that get into the muscle cell.
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Now, if you're eating a diet where you don't have any sugar or very low sugar, well then you have less carbohydrates, less sugar in the system.
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That's a yes, correct.
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So your sugar level in the blood becomes much, much lower.
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So you're controlling it by controlling the end by controlling what comes into the system.
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So yes, then your hemoglobin a1c comes down, because there is less sugar.
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But the mechanism is still clogged, correct, so we have to go a little deeper than just the number.
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That's what you're saying here.
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Exactly.
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Because we can see clearly that if you're not eating as many sugars, even than natural sugars your blood sugar would stay lower, but it's not because your body is now functioning properly.
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No it's just because you're like, well, can't have that, I won't eat that, I'm gonna hold that back.
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And you're still putting all these things into your system that are causing the problem.
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That's there in the first place, and in many cases, with a carnivore diet, you're putting more than you were before, because maybe you weren't even eating as many animal products as you are now, because your doctor's telling you who's carnivore, that that's what you need to Do now, short term, the lowered sugar level does create some benefits, but long term, what's happening?
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because, in addition to saturated fats, you're getting cholesterol, you're getting fats that are causing inflammation within the the lining of your blood vessels.
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So there's still this process, this pathology, that's still going on.
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Long term, that's not being addressed and I would even add it's not because people have stopped eating whole plant foods, it's usually because they've stopped eating the junk sugars and stuff, and so they're gonna get some improvement with that as well, with getting less sugar in their system, because there it's not that they're eating the good sugars right.
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There's a difference in sugars too.
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We're not gonna go there.
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I'm just kind of throwing that out there, so this is kind of a double whammy as well.
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So they are gonna get some benefit right when they stop eating the junk food sugars.
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I highly process sugars that have no benefit to the body and can actually be harmful.
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Because if your sugar levels get too high, it can be very serious.
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You can even go into a coma, right?
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But what's interesting is ketoacidosis and what's interesting is that carbs don't do that.
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Healthy carbs Don't do that kind of thing to you because they're balanced with other things, because you've got the healthy sugar and it's natural Package.
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God put it in all the fire you've got the fiber, the vitamins, the minerals, of the phytonutrients that are only found in plants, and it's created that way for a reason.
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And it's amazing when our body gets that, you don't just get a lowering of the numbers, which you do ultimately get, you're getting to the root cause of the problem and that's how you're getting the lowering of the numbers.
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And that is what you want.
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You want to know what's going on on the inside.
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Always think what's going on on the inside behind this number drop.
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Am I really addressing the problem here?
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And it may seem like it if you're just following the numbers, but something else to consider is that our bodies were designed to run mainly on carbohydrates right Now we do need fats, like our hearts need fat, but our muscles use carbohydrates.
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But isn't it interesting that those fats are also found in whole plant foods?
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The fact that we need right so you're not just getting straight up carbs.
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You know, somehow you've been convinced that carbs are the devil and we've heard it over and over again.
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And even though we know now that that's not true, right when you first come into that understanding.
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I mean, we have members who tell us I know that carbs are going to cure this disease.
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I know that I'm going to be able to reverse things on it.
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These healthy carbs, these whole plant foods that you're telling me to eat.
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I know that.
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I know that fruits and vegetables are healthy for me.
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I know that if I can figure out the simple, easy, delicious way to eat these things, that it's going to reverse this stuff.
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But in my mind, somewhere in the back of my mind, because the seed has been planted for so long Carbs are unhealthy, carbs are the devil and it's so.
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It's a reverse you got to think about kingdom ways, like you're going to hear in this world the reverse, the opposite of what's true, because our enemy is always going to try to twist the truth and there's gonna be a little half-truth in there.
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There's gonna be some form of truth in there, like, hey, the numbers great, you know, that number really looks good, or some of us be healthy.
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You're getting less sugar now, so your body's doing better.
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Well, yeah, but it's the crap sugars that you were eating, the heavily processed cereals and the bars and the Cookies and crackers and all that stuff.
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That wasn't healthy.
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It wasn't whole grain.
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You were eating all these things and then, all of a sudden, the switch happens and you get better numbers.
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But you've got to always look at what's going on underneath the surface and when you make that switch, you may feel better.
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Mm-hmm, I know now initially now that we've changed and now we're completely whole food, plant based.
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If I eat something that's too sugary, I get a headache, mm-hmm.
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So if you have someone that that is their diet and they come off of that, you will feel better.
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Straight up process sugars are not good for you.
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Just we're just gonna be clear on that.
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Like highly processed sugars are not good for you.
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But when you look at, your brain runs almost exclusively on glucose, mm-hmm.
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Your muscles require Carbohydrates.
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So getting to your point of our common enemy here, well, what if I can convince someone to eat nothing but protein?
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Mm-hmm?
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Yes, you can convert protein into energy, but it's a clunky process.
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It's not this, not.
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I see all the time quote-unquote protein power.
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There's really not the power.
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Your muscles run on carbohydrates, it's streamlined, it's exactly what it means.
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It's efficient.
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Your muscles stored glycogen, which is a form of carbohydrate, for a reason right.
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If they ran on fat, then the father would have created our muscles to store it as fat.
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Yeah, when people go out to run a race what are they?
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What are they doing?
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Are they?
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protein loading.
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Are they fat loading?
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No, they're carb loading and there's a reason for that.
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There's a reason for that, so we wanted to explain this that you can't just treat for a number, and another example would be blood pressure.
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You can get on several medications that lower your blood pressure and it may look good and, yes, there are benefits to it, because if you've got damaged blood vessels that are under high stress, yes, there's an increased risk of heart attack, stroke, a hemorrhagic stroke, which is where the vessels break and then you get bleeding and then that puts pressure on your brain and that's not good.
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But that doesn't mean you've gotten rid of the pathology of what's going on with your blood vessels.
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So let's talk about one or two of the blood pressure medications.
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I want you to further illustrate that a little bit so that we understand where we're coming from with the blood pressure aspect of this when we're talking about just likening it to the carnivore diet.
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So just take one blood pressure medication and let's talk about how it works, just in general.
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Okay, well, one of them would be amlodipine.
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It's a calcium channel blocker.
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What that does is it causes the muscles in your arteries to relax.
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And so then the effect of that, think about it.
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you've got blood, you've got fluid rushing through a pipe, basically Arteries have muscles so they will contract or relax depending on what you need, because it helps to get blood flowing to the right areas because your blood pressure is dynamic.
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So if you were to enlarge a tube that fluid is flowing through, it's going to decrease the pressure right.
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The resistance decreases the resistance, so it decreases the amount of pressure needed to push the blood through it.
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So when you're taking that medication, that's what's happening and of course, your blood pressure is going to go down a bit.
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But has it addressed the underlying cause that's causing the blood pressure to be up in the first place?
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That's stiffening the arteries, that's building up plaques in there?
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Has it addressed any of those things?
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Are the plaques still there?
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Yeah, and if you keep eating the way you've been eating.
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What's going to happen?
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They're going to continue to grow, even if you're taking this medication.
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So we don't want you to just take a medication and all the side effects that come with it and miss out on really addressing the root cause of what's going on there, or eating a diet that's going to give you a few results in number, but you still got the fire smoldering and it's going to light up again and you've got more trouble than when you started in the first place.
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Now I would like to say if your blood pressure is really high and I do this myself with my patients I may start them on a medication because we can't leave it too high.
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That can't be dangerous.
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We're not in time medication we want to get that under control, but I make it very clear to them that this is something that lifestyle choice can greatly improve, even potentially reverse it where they could come off their medication but, in a very stepwise, controlled manner, so that way we do it as safely as possible.
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Right being monitored by your doctor.
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Don't listen to this episode and be like oh, I'll take that medication, I'm just going to stop it and start eating plants.
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You don't want to do that.
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Don't do that.
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You want a doctor to monitor your blood pressure, but the other reason is it can come down quite rapidly when you go all into whole food plant-based.
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So you want to monitor your blood pressure at home if you're taking these medicines, because it can drop too low as you're taking them and eating whole food plant-based.
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So keep an eye on it and keep your doctor apprised of your numbers as they switch so they can start weaning you off the medications.
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Even if they're not 100% on board, you can just let them know.
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Here's what I'm doing and I would like for you to keep an eye on this.
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So that way I do it safely, because with some of these medications, the way that they work, if you improve the vascular health, they can make the vessels too relaxed and what happens?
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The pressure drops too low, the blood flow doesn't get to your brain, you get lightheaded, it could potentially pass out, or if you have blockages anywhere in your body and there's not sufficient pressure to move the blood, then that could cause some issues as well.
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So definitely want to do it with medical supervision If you're already on these medications, and just do it safely.
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But think about this for a minute.
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Think about how clever it is of the enemy to get us to buy into these ways of eating that look like on the surface.
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It's all like a ruse.
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You see something, but it's not real.
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Does that sound familiar to anything else that's going on today?
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It's like a lot of the stuff that's going on today.
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We're seeing a lot of stuff that people are getting behind and telling us hey, this is real and it's not.
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Well, you've got to look beyond that.
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Look, dig a little deeper.
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Look at what's really going on there in that situation.
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Before you make a judgment, to step into something we don't want to see, you think about oh well, I should be doing this or I should be doing that, no, beforehand, look at what do whole plant foods do to your body On the inside.
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It's not just about a sugar or a carb.
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A calorie is not a calorie.
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You know a carb is not a carb.
