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Absolutely. And what what researchers have done is they said, okay, what's causing this, and they felt like it was something with the food because people would get it related to certain meals. And so they tested fats, they tested proteins, and they tested carbs.
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And what they found was time and again, you're listening to the smarter Healthy Living podcast where we firmly believe that getting healthy should never feel like torture, where your host, Jarrod and Anita Roussel were college sweethearts, and health professionals who help you redefine what getting healthy looks like using a whole food plant based lifestyle. It's time to hear from the experts and learn the best tips and tricks that helped others get me on the roadmap to create a vibrant life they love. If you're sick and tired of being sick, and tired. You're in the right place. So pull up a virtual chair, grab your matcha latte, and let's get started.
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Okay, Jared, now, we may be dating ourselves with this.
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Well, actually we are
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we do date ourselves. We do date we Yes, date our age on this,
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but I'm saying we're dating. All right. Yes. So do you remember the commercial?
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This is the fullest Fuller's have ever felt? Do you
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remember that? I believe that was a Pepto bismol commercial?
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I think it was it was something to do with acid reflux or heartburn, right? And so this family is just holding their stomachs and they're walking up the stairs and you can see their stomach just going. just miserable, miserable. And how remember those days? Do you remember those days of having that happen? When you would eat meals, and you would just be so miserable? And
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I don't think I've ever had it on a daily basis. But I do remember having it with some regularity?
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Well, I had a lot. And when I look back now, with what I know now, and I look back and think about what I used to eat on a regular basis. It's no wonder I had it. But nobody was telling me, hey, there's something you can do about this.
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You don't have to have this and why does it even matter? I mean, we think about it as a discomfort and it can disrupt your sleep, which can make you sick, it can disrupt your wife because you're just hurting and you're miserable. And you're constantly reaching for your Tums or Rolaids, which is not a good solution at all. because really what you got to do is figure out number one, what is it? Number two, what's causing it? And that's the important
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what's causing what's
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causing it. And number three, how do you fix it? And that's what we're talking about today. So let's start with number one. What is it?
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Well reflux, as a lot of people call it also known as GERD, which is gastro esophageal reflux disease. So you have heartburn, acid reflux, and GERD. And they're all basically the same thing, girls just kind of a more severe form, and it's becoming twice or more per week.
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Or if you've got one really bad episode, occurring once a week, then it gets known as quote unquote, GERD g rd. But it's just simply the stomach acid coming back up into the esophagus. Now the esophagus is the tube that goes from your throat down into your stomach.
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Once food hits your stomach, there should be a little circle muscular valve that holds food in there, so it doesn't come back up.
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So that valves at the bottom of your esophagus and what you want is for that valve to stay tight, it should be a one way valve. But when it becomes a two way valve, and that that acid from your stomach comes back up into your esophagus, that's when the bar hasn't,
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it's not functioning properly. And the reason it burns is that your soft Vagus is not really equipped to handle that much acidity, your stomach is perfectly designed for it.
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But your esophagus is not because when food goes down, it doesn't have that acid, once it get in, gets into the stomach, the stomach triggers making the acid so it helps to digest the food and everything that it does
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what's really important to have the acid there. And so what happens we take, we're like, Okay, well, we got to get something. So we run to the store, we get terms in real lights, or if you're like members of my family who had huge bottles sitting on their table all the time just popping them like candy. That's not good for you. Because what happens when you take these things and even the ppis that it kills the acid, it makes the acid weaker, and the acids there for a reason. It's there to help you break down your food. And if the food doesn't get broken down properly, it can't be used by your body properly. And then you're in a whole other world of trouble. Not only that, but it's there to kill bacteria and germs that come in with your fade or whenever you swallow something so you need the acid that the solution isn't to kill the acid.
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But when you're burning All you want is for the burn.
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Well you want you want some type of relief immediately.
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And if you've always seen oh I have heartburn so I need to reach for this medication then that's what you do. You almost don't even seeing see it as being something unusual, different, something wrong. It's just it is what it is. And here's the problem, here's a solution. This is what I do.
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Well, that's why we're talking about this today.
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Because it really can affect your life. But a lot of times you don't know these different things that you can do. And there's some simple things that you can do. But really, it all comes down to getting to the root of the problem. What is causing this? Why does this keep happening to me? It doesn't happen to us anymore.
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Thankfully, on a regular basis, it's no it's so rare, rare. And when it is, we can usually pinpoint what it is because we know what's causing it now. And that's what we want for you to not experience this all the time. But there were things that we could do, even when we got it and just didn't realize, you know, we just didn't know. And when we discovered it, we still weren't eating right. So we kept getting it. But we knew what we needed to do to treat it. And then all of a sudden, we learned, hey, there's not just something we can do to treat it, we can actually make it. So
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it was really a lightbulb moment where we thought, Oh, this makes so much more sense. Why didn't we know this before? Some of the reasons why it matters to prevent reflux, because it's not just a discomfort issue.
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Well, there are risk factors involved. I mean, it's not like it's just hurting. It's what you're saying, right?
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I mean, there are specific issues, because the acid is going up into the esophagus, like we've mentioned already, but it's causing damage. Now, if it's once or twice, very rare, it's not an issue. But if you keep getting this acid coming back time and time again, you do start to get scarring. And that can form strictures, which is where the esophagus won't stretch properly. And then you can get food caught there. And then if it keeps going, then you can eventually end up with a soft geo cancer.
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Yeah. And like the rate of cancer in the United States, is that six times over what it was three decades ago, last three decades. Yeah. And what we're finding is that's related to lifestyle changes, it's really an
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increase in the amount of reflux that happens,
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right,
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and one in four people in the US has reflux.
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If you factor that there, roughly 350 million people in the US, that would make it somewhere around like 80 million people get reflux weekly. That's huge. Absolutely. And what what researchers have done is they said, okay, what's causing this, and they felt like it was something with the food, because people will get it related to certain meals. And so they tested fats, they tested proteins, and they tested carbs.
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And what they found was time and again, proteins didn't cause it, carbs didn't cause it. They're not the devil they might be. But we need those carbs, but and we need our protein too. But what they found is the fat is actually actually the being that triggers that specifically animal fats, which interestingly enough, have also been tied to cancer, specifically, red meat has been taught or linked with esophageal cancer, poultry has been linked more with stomach cancers. And over time, those things can happen. And some of this may be linked with a reflex that's caused by eating these foods. But also, they found that with highly processed foods that had a lot of oils added and things like that, also, were behind reflux. And I found that true in my life, didn't you as well, when you were eating more of the high processed foods?
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Oh, looking backwards?
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Yes, definitely a huge, huge percent of the time I was eating very oily processed foods, probably with a lot of chemicals to
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well, then it's not just what you eat, and we're kind of getting into the what can you do about it, because now we know what's causing this, you know, this, a lot of times, it's that animal stuff. And with me, I was eating so much dairy. I mean, it was cheese and yogurt and cheese and, and milk and cheese.
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Cheese on top of cheese.
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Cheese goes better with cheese.
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Yeah,
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it didn't
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make fun of it or make light of it. But it was. But I didn't want to mention a couple things, because we've talked about the type of food being a risk factor of other risk factors to or obesity, which I believe a lot of that comes from the fact that if you have a lot of intra abdominal fat, meaning fat inside your belly, then there's going to be pressure that pushes up on the stomach.
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And it may cause more pressure than what that esophageal sphincter that little round muscular valve can hold.
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Alcohol is alcohol.
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And I think that comes from relaxing that muscle. And then smoking smoking is actually a big cause for this, because the nicotine will increase acid production, but also cause relaxation of that sphincter as well.
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It makes sense. So we want to keep the sphincter solid and keep it a one way valve. And we do that by not just what we're not eating. We're giving you now what you can do to get to the root of the problem, right so we talked about stopping or greatly decreasing the higher fat foods it's going to make a huge difference in the amount of times you get acid reflux and you may be like us and almost never Forget it anymore. I mean, it's made a big difference. But what Jared and I know, it's not just about what you are eating the bad stuff, the things that are sabotaging your health, the things that are causing the reflux, right? It's not just about getting those things out of your life, it's also about what you're not getting on a regular basis. And
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then those things that you need to put back into your your regular routine routine?
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Absolutely. You've got to have plant foods on a regular basis, you have to have them because plant foods are the only source of fiber. And what does fiber do fiber keeps things moving through. You don't know how many people we've had come to us and say, I had no idea I've been constipated my entire life. I thought you were supposed to only poop once a week or once every other day, or every couple of days, I had no idea you were supposed to go one two times a day, three times a day. Sometimes if you're eating a lot of high plant high fiber foods, and it shouldn't be a 30 minute, one hour long session on the toilet. I mean, it really shouldn't. There should be no straining involved, I hate to get graphic. But these are things you need to know.
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Exactly. If you're hearing this,
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yeah, you absolutely need to know these things. Because this is crucial for your health.
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Because if the garbage doesn't move out, the garbage stays. And if the garbage stays, you're not getting the nutrients that you need flowing through you you're not, you're not able to function, right not getting
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rid of the waste, because there are some things that the fiber binds to. So it helps pull it out gets rid of it.
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And that leads to sickness, it leads to sickness, if that stuff is just sitting there, it is not good for you, but so not really need to get your fiber and the only way you get fiber, animal plants, animals, plants, animal plants, now that's a new thing an animal planet, actually was thinking animals that don't have fiber plants and somehow became animal plants. I have no idea. I think it's a little white, we don't usually take this. And so things turn into animal plain. You've
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heard it here, first guys. No, but back to the message at hand here to getting things flowing through will also help prevent colon cancer, it is known that when we don't have these regular bowel movements, the things remain in there, the toxins the waist, and then that can increase risk of colon cancer as well.
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And if things aren't moving through odds are you're not getting enough fiber again.
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So like 98% of people don't get enough fiber. Why? Because they're not eating enough plants, animal products, including meat and dairy, oil, none of those things have fiber, right. I didn't mean that was an animal product. But I'm just saying all of those things don't have fiber, only plants have fiber. So you need to get more plants in any way you can. Make sure you're getting your five foundational foods, go back and listen to the episode. On the five foundational foods, it's really really important to be getting those on a daily basis, because it will change the amount of times you have reflux.
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And again, it may even stop. So things you can do. Eat less fatty foods, get more, get more plants in your life on a daily basis and get a rainbow eat the rainbow in a lot of different colors on we're partial to the purples, purple slash red. Yeah, cuz most people don't get them.
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I mean, it's super important that in the greens of leafy greens and the cruciferous really important, and I didn't realize how many people don't eat beans on a daily basis. That kind of blew my mind because we've always seen a lot of beans. But now we staple here every day, sometimes more than one meal a day. And it's amazing how great they make you feel.
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It's super duper cheap.
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And this may shock you. And if it does, I'm glad we sometimes even eat beans for dessert. Oh, that's gonna blow your mind.
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We've got a recipe in our cookbook that is made with beans.
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We never know it now you never know. Now you can eat it with the spoon really, really good. All right, so we are talking about ways to help cure it right?
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That's right. Well, to prevent it, yeah, prevented by curing, yes, preventing it from even being a problem in the first place.
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Right? So eating less fats, right? Because that's gonna keep your esophageal sphincter strong. You want to limit your processed foods as well. That's the next thing. We said eat more plants also. But the next thing The third thing would be to limit processed foods. Why, again, we talked about this earlier, it's because they have a lot of oils and other things that can cause problems. I mean, a lot of times they hadn't added casein and things like that in there. And of course that's a protein or, you know, part of dairy But still, it's put in there and it seems like a lot of these things just start things that having all those additives and preservatives and natural, natural flavors. We've talked about those before.
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I think the process foods in this may be seeming a little it's not graphic, but I noticed that whenever I would eat a lot Processed foods and I would get the reflux, I would get some belching, and you would kind of taste it again, that's awful. But what that told me though, is that there are a lot of chemicals flavor chemicals in there that were still in my stomach, even for a period of time time, because the fats will also slow the emptying of your stomach. So things stay in there for hours. And that contributed to, I believe, the irritation that I was experiencing. Because when I eat whole plants, I don't ever have that even on the two times a year when I'm I may have a reflux, I don't get that belching and that nasty gas, I just get a little bit of discomfort and like you were saying before we can usually identify what it was. And it might be something like for me, I will use cacau quite a bit.
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And that is known to cause that sometimes. But for me, it's so rare that it's just going to happen. Okay, well,
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well and we also know one thing that you can do if you do get it and it's very rare. You can eat some fermented foods specifically for us, like one or two tablespoons of kimchi would just knock it out. And you would think kimchi being spicier. We don't buy the hot the mild kimchi, but we're not looking for the hot yet
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the heart level. Yeah, we got to work our way up to that.
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That's not my goal. That can be your goal. I'm good to go. But yeah, it's amazing, because you would think with it being a little spicier that it calms it down.
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I discovered this by accident, really before we even got into Whole Foods plant based living, because I was a PA at the time. But I remember hearing to the that the the quote unquote heartburn sometimes can be another term for dyspepsia where your stomach's not digesting properly, was that it could be that you don't have enough acid. And then I started thinking why I heard that over Korea A long time ago, they would make kimchi and use it as a digestive aid, they put a little bit on their plate with each meal. So I thought, okay, it's fermenting the bacteria in there, they're releasing digestive enzymes. Well, maybe that would help. So we had some and I had an
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episode, come up with that, that makes pregnant nice,
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took a couple bites. And I waited a couple minutes, I thought, whoa, wait a minute, my heartburn is getting a little better. So I tried it a few times just to make sure it wasn't a fluke. And then I remember telling you about it, and then you tried it,
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it freaks me out. And Wow, really fast that worked.
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Now, we're not advocating that you do this in place of making some of these better dietary changes. But if it happens, it's a good remedy.
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And then I remember your mother.
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So then we had a third person where she did the same thing it worked. And the same result it shocked her.
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So basically, what we're saying is eat your plants so that you don't get it. But if you get it eat your plants, that's basically what we just said, eat your plants, because that also helps to reverse it if you do get it. Anyway, the other thing, what will be beyond number four, eat smaller meals, smaller
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meals, right? If that's an issue with you, some people
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ate and we're going to be talking about the same. But this is just kind of a little glimpse into something we're going to be talking about later. But you know, we share with our clients and with our friends, that you we think about eating and eating till you're full and a lot of people eating in this with this lifestyle. They think you could just eat whatever you want and eat whatever amount you want.
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And that really is not true. And I'll leave it at that. Because we've got a lot more to say about that. We do really, but it's really an interesting topic. And I don't want to go into that here.
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But I feel like we are an all you can eat society. And that plays into it. So we'll do really well let that queue up a future podcast episode. Keep a lookout for it. But I think you'll you'll like it, you'll find it almost almost like a paradigm shift. Because it's a mindset shift. Yeah,
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it's a complete mindset shift. And it's very freeing. I think a lot of times when you can get your mindset, right. And that's why we teach mindset is one of the first things that we teach, because if you can't, if you don't have the right mindset, and your mindset has been set by past experience with diving and past experiences, we're trying to get healthy and those things that you've learned that are just wrong. If you can't get those things right, and get the freedom that comes from eating the right foods and having the right mindset and the understanding of what does it mean to be full? What does it mean to be hungry? And how are those two things different and are they really opposites? Or is that not true? different things like that, that we talked about that are critical. If you want to get healthy and stay healthy.
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your mindset determines what you do.
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Absolutely. Absolutely
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damning. It's the first step on the path or I should say, your mindset almost like a direction. And then when you start walking your path, then the direction determines where you're going to end up.
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Absolutely. Yeah. All right.
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Number five. Avoid perform a small fee small meals
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tight fitting clothes.
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Yes. Now a lot of people just cinch up a belt or they just wear tight clothes. And sometimes that's not good. And that can just cause it just physically.
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And it's the same thing as like with abdominal obesity is because if you send your clothes really tight, then that increases the pressure inside your belly, which could then push the food up. Well, I
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saw someone demo esophageal reflux, and they had a balloon on the end of a long tube. And in that balloon, he put some green liquid just to show it as a digestive juices.
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Yeah. And then they had a little, little piece of black tape at the bottom of the tube before it went to the balloon.
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And that was kind of the esophageal sphincter and so he would squeeze the balloon, like a belt or tie close word, right?
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And that that liquid will flash back up into the tube. So that was a really good demo.
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Hopefully, you can imagine that because seeing the actual video it was it was a very good demonstration. Very good visual. So hopefully you can visualize that in your mind.
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So wear looser clothing, you can try that. Also. And we kind of mentioned this before, but we didn't really go into it as much. But here we did say eat until you're no longer hungry.
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Okay, so here's a little bit more of inside of what we're going to be talking about just eat term no longer hungry because we as a society like to eat or overstaffed. You know, with all you can eat buffets.
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And we think we need to eat like every day is Thanksgiving, and we eat to a point of misery. And that really isn't healthy. But it's funny because when you eat this way, you get what we call food freedom, and food loses its hold on you. And we just don't we don't do that.
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We don't feel the need to do that.
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We don't. Yeah, there are a lot of mindset shifts related there. And we won't go into all that now. So next, just eat within three hours of bedtime, or drinking thing within about two hours of bedtime.
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So when your stomach stays empty,
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it's empty and you go to sleep better. Your body's not having to process all that food too. So you're gonna sleep better. And number eight, we've talked about this on a past episode. What episode number was that? Do
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you remember episode number? 85? Yeah, we just talked about that recently.
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Okay, so go back and listen to this breakfast like a king lunch like a prince dine like a pauper for dinner, right?
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Because this helps to prevent heartburn, and also helps with weight loss. So go back. And listen, it
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was a great episode.
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Actually, it
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was I enjoyed that. That was a lot of fun. Alright, so go back and listen to that we've given you at least eight things you can do to get to the root of the problem, the medicines aren't going to get to the root.
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And not only that, they can cause further issues. And if you don't get to the root and you start killing the acid, and now you've got the side effects of the medication, you've got no acid, they are very low acid. So you can't digest your fruit food properly. You can't get the you don't get the nutrients you need. You're not eating the right foods, you're not getting the fiber. And then you're not able to fight off infection because you're eating things that your body can't kill.
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Because the acids not there.
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It is a first line of defense.
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Yeah, so there's no, there's no, you're not getting the root of the problem. Like there's no fix here in the standard way of thinking.
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Because when we have a problem, what do we do? We think, well, what can I take what matters, I just gotta find the right medicine. I've just got to find the right doctor to prescribe the right medicine to. And again, we're not
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just thinking that we're not
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against medicine all the time. I mean, we're in the medical fields, you're in your VA chairs, the physician assistant in case you don't know. And I'm a registered nurse. And so these things we understand we get when there's a need for medicine, but our first go to a lot of times as a society is to think I need a medicine, I got to figure out what's going on with my body so I can get a medicine. But a lot of times you have so much more power if you just know exactly what to do and the steps to take to help you get some relief.
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Things like nobody ever told us.
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Well, if you to look kimchi, or you know, don't eat a lot of fats, particularly animal that can cause this and these things are linked with cancer. And we know that I mean, we have another episode where we talked about certain types of meats are known carcinogens, processed meats, I mean, they're known carcinogens. But we were eating healthier processed meats, no nitrates, no nitrites. No preservative added organic, thinking we were eating healthy.
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And we're eating things that are known to cause cancer was nobody talking about this. We have an episode
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55 where we talk about the types of proteins, meats versus plant proteins and the effects of those on the body.
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But that's not where we talked about the the meat that caused like processed meat causing cancer being a known carcinogen. What that episode number is, though, you have to get back and I figured out my homework, but that was a good one. We'll put the link down below in case you're interested in hearing that because that is something you really really need to know. But these are the things that light us up that we'd love to teach about because we know that these are the game changer. So these are the big shifts that can come for you when you know these things.
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Because you can only do Jarrod says this all the time, you can only do what you know. And you know what you know, and you don't know what you don't know.
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So
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don't know what you don't have the choice, right?
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That's what we want for you, we want you to be educated about these things, right? You at least have the choice, right can make informed decision. And we're
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not sitting here as judges, we do not do that to people, people come into our programs, and they just want to eat more plant foods and things like that. And they don't want to go to 100% yet, or, or ever.
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And that's not their goal. We're not here to judge people. We don't want to do that. We want everyone to have the information and have all that information that's there that people aren't talking about. They're not hearing about these things. And so that is what we want for you just to be empowered to be able to make the choice. Then once you have the information you can do that. We have loved hanging out with you again today. Thanks for joining us, we look forward to hearing your success stories.
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Be sure to drop us an email and let us know how you're doing.
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Also keep an eye out for the cookbook bundle. It's coming out soon. We have some incredible bonuses for you we set up a whole No, probably nice place to tell this but we've got a membership platform for you laid out is wonderful. It's so exciting. Part of its even.
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Well, you'll just have to say I don't want to tell anything else. We've got some surprises there. But we look forward to getting to know you more, drop us an email, let us know what you'd like to hear on here. And don't forget to tell your friends about this, tag them and let them know about smarter Healthy Living because if you let people know about it, we're able to get the word out and help more people but one way you can do that specifically is before you go right now just leave a quick review, and we look forward to seeing you on the next episode. of smarter, healthy living.
